New Attraction Theory

How's it going? My name is Ciaran Healy - you may have heard a little of me. I post under the pirate nickname Dr Jekyll. I've made quite a splash on ASF. In fact, I'll go further - I've made such a splash on ASF that I've now been banned from posting there. Drama. I know.

Anyway, I wanted to contact you to inform you of an idea I've had related to human attraction. This idea has got me laid like a rock star. I've had a threesome and everything. Worked it out about three weeks ago, and now, as it stands, it is unusual for a woman not to flirt with me. I shit you not. No techniques. No routines. Just understanding.

Wombat_Revenge asked me to post my theory of attraction in full on this forum. It is long. But dude, it works. It works. Really.

I've merged together the best posts I made on ASF, - one of them involves a PUA who goes by the name of Kooper. I love that guy. I hope that if you're sufficiently impressed with my ideas, you'll read my archive on ASF. I've only been posting there for about 8 days.

I mean, shit. How much could I have written in that time? Heh heh.

Anyway, here it is. I hope you like it.



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For a while now, ever since I read Juggler's book, I've felt I was close to seeing something far more profound about pickup, male-female relations and human interaction in general. This post is essentially a quick summary of what I've worked out so far.

Primarily it's about the difference between being genuine with people and being consciously manipulative.

All the personality traits that we link to an attractive man (or indeed, woman) such as coolness, confidence, self-possession, having a strong 'frame', congruence, being comfortable in your own skin, being expressive, being chilled out, being relaxed – all these are symptoms of a single cause, and it's something very simple. It's just being genuine.

All the things we associate with someone who is unattractive – being scattered, being insecure, looking to others for approval of what you're doing, thinking or saying, having a weak 'frame', incongruence, being defensive, being aggressive, being stressed out – all these are also symptoms of a single cause, and it's also something very simple. It's called being fake.

The human mind and, as a consequence attraction itself is actually very simple. It is infinitely creative, but at it's heart the fundamental dynamics are relatively straightforward. Juggler (that bastard) said it himself in his original seduction manual when he said "What is attractive about a human being is their humanity". I hate kissing anyone's ass, but this is a philosophical statement of a roughly equal power, insight and importance to "I think therefore I am." You can actually explain the entire arc of human evolution with this one idea. One day I will. For our purposes though, you don't have to DO anything to be attractive, you just need to express the shit you already have.

The old adage "be yourself" is actually (and I know I'm going to take flak for this, but fuck it, I'm going to say it anyway) incredibly perceptive. The only problem with it is that it's not 'being' yourself as such (although this is the goal of any PUA – to just chill and exist and have women love you), but rather to EXPRESS yourself. Why is this powerful, I hear you ask? Because the stuff you're expressing is AUTOMATICALLY attractive. It is fashioned by evolution so to be.

This leads to another very interesting point, which is that perhaps it's not really confidence, or even being genuine that women find attractive. Haven't spent much time number crunching this one, so female perspectives gracefully received. Perhaps all your genuineness and confidence do is allow a clear line of sight between the woman's mind and you, unobscured by your agendas or your emotional bullshit. From that point the woman can come to see all the things about you that are attractive anyway. If you have agendas and emotional bullshit and ego in the way, it's a bit like playing Battleships with someone (ooooooooo I like this metaphor. Think about it lots). I say "D5". You tell me if it's a hit or a miss. You say "E7". I tell you if it's a hit or a miss. Neither of us can actually see the other person's pieces, we just have to use guesswork, logic, witty jibes, conversational fencing and inference to work out who they are. Why do this with a woman? Why do this with another person in general? Your pieces are what make you interesting, they're what make you unique. No-one has the same pieces as you. They are your peacock's tail.

DO YOU HEAR ME? THEY ARE YOUR PEACOCK'S TAIL.

That's why we've evolved the way we have. That's why are minds are the way they are. That is the kind of animals we are. It is our nature.

Also, and this isn't me being nasty about these guys, the biggest problem with the seduction community is it's failure to make this distinction, which I see as being completely pivotal to the whole issue of pickup. It's lesson number one. It's the bedrock on which the other lessons rest. That is what it is. It is the beating heart of the entire issue that brought these people together in the first place.

Incidentally, pickup is not about being the Alpha Male. That's the biggest load of shit since Vanilla Ice decided to try make a comeback. Being the Alpha Male is something that happens around you when you're cool. People look up to me all the time. I don't try to lead them, and I don't set myself up as anything special. It just happens. I don't put other guys down, I don't need to try. If a guy tries to "Shake My Frame", he just bounces off me because I don't have a frame. Ooooooooooooooo! Controversial! No frame!

What happens if your frame was just who you fucking were? How can someone shake that? You want to know the key to having an indestructible frame? I'll tell you. Be genuine. Instantly your 'frame' is ironclad.

Being genuine isn't a piece of your game that you should work on. It's your fucking life goal. It's an art form. It is the art of being human. It is the meaning of life.

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From the strength of this post, I received several emails. One of them was from a guy who asked me some questions about pickup. The resultant thread got me banned from mASF for spamming. I leave it to you to decide if this was fair. The post is unedited, as is Kooper's response to me.

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DR JEKYLL:
Hey Dude

Thanks for your email - you went in to real detail on yourself and your issues here so I've got the opportunity to give you some real advice that might help you. You did good, kid.

Ok, listen up. The Doctor's in the house.

"Ok thanks alot, I'll check out your journal in a bit. I live in BC canada, I'm 19 , 6 foot, and not bad looking. My whole highschool experience I kinda missed out on because of 2 1 year + ltr's. Now I know I'm probably younger then you, but I feel "game" is almost universal in age give or take a bit."

You're right about age. It's a bit like height. It matters not a whit if you can spin it right. In fact, anything that is bad about the way you look or the age you are is actually something you can use to your favour - if you're openly called on it. It gives you a chance to demonstrate personality, which is the beating heart of what will make you attractive to women. Shit-tests, as they are known, are the most excellent opportunities to ramp a woman's attraction for you through the roof. This is how.

If a chick calls you on your age, say your age. Just answer the question like she's asking about the weather. If she continues to push you, continue to hold the line. For an example of what I'm talking about, check out the exchange I had with Hitori on the Playerette group. The Thread is all in capitals and it's for guys to post their questions. Remember, when you answer the 'shit-test' there is nothing, not in your body language nor in the inflection in your voice, that will give away the fact that you are in any way shaken by the question or the issue. Come across like you don't give a shit. Her admiration for your attitude will completely bypass any issues she has about you not being her type. Chicks are fickle. Use that fact. Come across like you don't give a shit. This is how.

Don't give a fuck. You don't know this woman from a hole in the wall. She may be lovely, but even if she's the nicest chick alive, who the fuck is she to judge you? Is she an expert? Is she an expert on everyone? How does she know you're not as good as anyone else? Has she done a survey? Is she magic? Can she read minds? No. What is happening, even though she's not doing this consciously, is she is probing your personality for weakness. Show none, and she will want you. That is how it works.

"I do have a couple questions/sticking points regarding my game.

Regarding opening:
I feel openers are so... forced? I know there supposed to take down there BS, but I just feel so much more comfortable going in with a "hey hows it going" type line. I don't have much club experience, mainly house parties, get togethers, streets and occasionally bars. So maybe that's why i don't use them? I'm wondering how you feel with just going in with an almost... natural/afc opener?"

Ok - look. Women are people. I'm not lying to you. Really. They aren't aliens. They are not from Venus, and you are not from Mars. Incidentally, that book by John Gray isn't half bad. It's not about how to pull chicks, but how to maintain a relationship, something I've always struggled at. At least it doesn't tell you to do something artificial which might solve your immediate issue but leaves you in an ocean of shit.

Opening women is like opening people. The only difference is that women are used to men approaching them with an agenda. This is fair. Men want to fuck them. Moreover - REMEMBER THIS - you want to fuck them too, so they're not even wrong about your intentions.

Now, this isn't that much of a problem. Women love sex. Approaching a woman with the intention of fucking her is not going to get you blown out, it's going to get you blown, as long as you do it respectfully.

Respectfully does not mean approach like a pussy. Show some fucking dignity. This chick has no right to make you feel like shit. No-one does. Every now and then you'll approach a bitch and she will give you shit. You are perfectly within your rights to call her on it, but to be honest, why bother? She's a bitch. She's not even on your radar. And besides, the internal worlds of thought that assholes inhabit in hollow and cold, just like the internal world of thought that an AFC inhabits. This is because, as I mentioned somewhere on mASF, both worldviews have their foundations in fear.

It is a terrible thing to live in fear. It does terrible things to a person.

Don't be afraid.

Forget the bitch shield. I will post about this at some point in the Advanced thread as soon as I can, but for now I need to chill it out on mASF because I've flouted the rules and both Formhandle and TokyoPUA have put up with enough shit from me as it is.

Besides, I want to leave it and see how the community responds to my ideas then put up a single post that deals with every issue that's come up in Advanced in a month's time. Look out for it, I'm going to put a lot of effort into making it all shiny and polished. I shall use words like vapid and coruscate. You'll be impressed. I'll even work juxtapose in there somewhere. I was thinking of talking about things that "converge at this conjectural nexus". I love being able to write. It means I can show off.

Heh heh.

Anyway, I digress. The bitch shield. Forget about it. Bitch shields crumble in the face of genuineness. That's all I'll say for now and I won't explore the dynamics of why this happens in this email, but it works. That's all you need to know. It destroys them. I can take down the bitch shield of a 10 in something like 4 seconds just by the way I say hello, I shit you not.

The only time this will not work is if she is actually a bitch. If she's a bitch, fuck her. She's not worth your time and she'll only hurt you in the long run anyway.


"Fluff:
When I'm talking to a girl, and I don't know how she stands regarding me, I just presume she likes me. But when we get to talking its pretty pathetic I gotta say. I look back at it, and I just am... dissapointed? In the calibre of what I'm saying. For example: I was pre-drinking at a local pub, opened a set of 2 girls 1 guy, and got her email and number, but had to leave early to meet a friend. Now this girl added me on msn, and we chatted for a bit. In the moment I thought I was being C/F, confident, and jsut smooth... but looking back I'm almost embarassed? I was wondering if you have some good.. ideas/tips about fluff talk?"

Presume nothing. It's popular on ASF to suggest that believeing she likes you in the face of any response is important. This is a myth. It is a blunt instrument of incidental worth. Basically, you're talking about arrogance. That is what it means to presume a person likes you. How can she like you? She doesn't know who you are. You might be a dick. I mean, fucking hell, dude, you might be a player looking to fuck her, carve a notch into your bedpost and post a report on the internet about how you fucked her. Just think for one second about how massively disrespectful this is. What if this was your sister, or your mother? I feel like a cunt for the FRs I've done, and I'm not posting any more unless I either a) don't fuck anyone or b) she reads the shit I've written HERSELF and agrees to it being posted. And even then she can ask me to pull it at any time.

Ok, fluff talk. I really hate to keep banging on about this because I feel I'm repeating myself, but the bulk of Juggler's work is about exactly this issue. I'd give you advice, but to be honest, I cannot better the shit he has said, the bastard. He's got this area covered. Read his archive.

"Closing:
Last point is when I'm going for a lay, I can never move it form watching a movie, to a lay.. i have no.. clue on how to escalate? Alot of help here would be much appreciated."

One thing that Mystery says is that if you're having problems in a certain stage of his model, it's probably because you didn't lay the groundwork in an earlier stage. Now Mystery's work is good, excellent even, but don't get hung up on the power dynamics of social interactions unless you are just starting out or very advanced. His book, the Venusian Arts Handbook is essential reading, but it is not the core of your game. It is the framework that you need to fill with your personality.

Nevertheless, he is extremely perceptive about a lot of things. This is one of them. It is unusual for me to take a girl back to my house unless she has basically admitted that she wants to fuck me that same night. I never get LMR.

How do you get a chick to admit she wants to fuck you? Easy. Again, Juggler (again, the bastard) has nailed this piece of the puzzle to the fucking floor. Essentially what you need to do is make your intentions clear. You can do this from the outset, you can do this along the way, but you need to do it or you are going to store up shit for yourself that will erupt when you try to take her knickers off.

I'm not going to go into this here, but read Juggler's new ebook - he's developed his theory of SOI's to a degree where they are now so easy, effective, funny and cool that I cannot see why anyone would not use them unless they had a personal axe to grind against the man. Hell, I have a personal axe to grind against the man, because he's covered so much ground I'd have liked to stake out as my own territory. Nonetheless, I use them. They get me laid.

My personal favourite is to say something like "What the hell do you think you're doing? You're so sexy! This is ridiculous! And I'm supposed to just sit here like nothing's out of the ordinary? What the fuck? I'm just some guy! I can't hold up to this kind of artillery! You bitch!" Then I'll push her away playfully. Whatever she says after that - WHATEVER SHE SAYS - if she keeps talking to you then you're in. You'd have to work pretty hard to fuck it up from here. This is a great opener too. Works anywhere. Used it on the street last week. Model. Score. Nice.

Personally I prefered Juggler's first ebook, which is basically a collection of posts from his archive. If you can get it, get it. I had a copy printed out and bound. Along with a bound copy of Gunwitch's Dynamic Sex Life and Mystery's Venusian Arts Handbook, they are on my coffee table and I will talk about them totally openly with the girls I bring home.

I bring cool girls home.

"Thanks a ton"

Not even a problem. Enjoyed writing this - it helped me to clarify a lot of things for myself. I hope it helps.

Something occurred to me while I was putting this together. I would like to start a regular thing on mASF which I'll call "Dr Jekyll's Special Surgery." In it, I'm going to perform dissections of the emails I receive from men (or women) like yourself who get in touch personally. I'll post them on the general board and answer questions in the thread. They can be about any issue related to sex, relationships, pickup or the seduction community in general. Anything. I don't mind. Just make sure Formhandle is cool with it or I won't post it. I'm on thin ice with that guy as it is.

I'd like to do this with your email, but there is a copyright issue. Whatever I post, I own. I will own the right to publish what you have emailed me, and any replies to the post, in a book. I intend to do this. Once there are enough threads and posts, I'll collect them together and publish an ebook or something. Maybe I'll even try to get it on the high street. I will need your written permission to do this, so if you could email me back one way or another I'd appreciate it.

I might outsell The Game if I'm lucky.

We shall see.

Ever Yours,

Jekyll

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KOOPER:
On 8/11/06 4:01:00 PM, drjekyll wrote:
>My personal favourite is to
>say something like "What the
>hell do you think you're
>doing? You're so sexy! This
>is ridiculous! And I'm
>supposed to just sit here like
>nothing's out of the ordinary?
>What the fuck? I'm just some
>guy! I can't hold up to this
>kind of artillery! You
>bitch!" Then I'll push her
>away playfully. Whatever she
>says after that - WHATEVER SHE
>SAYS - if she keeps talking to
>you then you're in. You'd
>have to work pretty hard to
>fuck it up from here.


absolutely agree, this is great stuff

i have this bit where i lead into this. i talk about experiments done with men to show women´s influence on our behaviour

in short:

in several dozen cases, three guys get stuck together in a room, they have to fulfill a small task, then there is an amount of money put on the table and they have to argue about who gets how much of the money.

now, one of the three guys has had a five minute conversation with a beautiful girl right before being put into the room, she asked him some questions for a questionnaire and subtly flirted a bit with him. he doesn´t know that the others didn´t have that questionnaire or that it was part of the experiment, and the others of course dont know that he did have that interview

what they found out was that the guys that had the short convo with the beautiful girl before were almost without exception content with a lot less money when arguing with the other two guys than a guy that didnt have the convo... "sex sells" holds up etc...

now, back to actual conversation, tweaked from my germany version to UK

"so you see, a sexy woman shortcircuits our logical brain... we go gaga... if you would ask me right now what the capital of london was i probably wouldn´t even know"

and they *always* catch you, and start laughing, "haaaa, capital of london!" (right question of course would have been capital of the UK, and answer london, you are getting this wrong deliberately)

and you say "damn, look what you are doing to me!!"

then you can elaborate on that with stuff similar to what you mentioned, "i can´t stand that kind of artillery!" etc :)

lots of fun!



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The better you look, the more you see...


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DR JEKYLL:

Cheers, man. I like your shit and appreciate your support, both here and elsewhere. Your help has been necessary, correct and insightful. You've just won Dr Jekyll's seal of approval. Well done.

;-p

>good post!

Oh, stop.

>i have this bit where i lead into this.
>i talk about experiments done with men
>to show women´s influence on our
>behaviour
>
>in short:
>
>in several dozen cases, three guys get
>stuck together in a room, they have to
>fulfill a small task, then there is an
>amount of money put on the table and
>they have to argue about who gets how
>much of the money.
>
>now, one of the three guys has had a
>five minute conversation with a
>beautiful girl right before being put
>into the room, she asked him some
>questions for a questionnaire and subtly
>flirted a bit with him. he doesn´t know
>that the others didn´t have that
>questionnaire or that it was part of the
>experiment, and the others of course
>dont know that he did have that
>interview
>
>what they found out was that the guys
>that had the short convo with the
>beautiful girl before were almost
>without exception content with a lot
>less money when arguing with the other
>two guys than a guy that didnt have the
>convo... "sex sells" holds up etc...

Ooooooooooooooooo. Now this is interesting.

Yes. This is very interesting indeed. This is happening because of the way that our evolutionary drives to reproduce interface with the central evolutionary survival mechanism of the human animal. This central survival mechanism is what we experience as morality.

Morality works on very simple psychological principles. It works like this.

Evil is a fiction. It does not exist. Morally there are two poles - selflessness and selfishness. Selflessness is a person's default setting when they are being genuine. It is our instinctual reaction to exposure to genuine ideas. You see, we are, fundamentally, moral beings who care about each other. The reason this is so, evolutionarily, is that we cannot exist on our own. A caveman without his tribe will die very quickly in an aboriginal society. We are each other's most precious natural resources. We therefore are structured to, first and foremost, value each other. That is the core around which our personalities are built and every value that we have is related to this truth. All emotions and notions of the fundamental importance of things, all notions of worth and all feelings of happiness also stem from this.

Selfishness is the default setting for someone being fake. This is also an evolutionary strategy and is a survival mechanism. It is our instinctual reaction to agendas. If you are in an environment where the others around you are selfish, generosity can kill you and kill you fast. You need to be aware of all the Machiavellian power interactions of the group so that you do not get taken advantage of, killed, and your genes weeded out of the gene pool.

It is really very simple.

Agendas are always selfish. Ideas are always selfless. An agenda is a priority that you bring to the interaction which you have yourself accepted as overriding all other concerns in that interaction. It is by definition selfish. An agenda is something you want to do. An idea is something that you believe should be done. The difference, psychologically, is gargantuan.

An agenda is an idea that has been analytically defined and thus rendered static, and linked to the wellbeing of the individual who came up with it. An idea is just an idea that has not gone through the analytical process. It is what it is. If you go into an interaction with a hot girl believing that it is a good idea that you two fuck, all you need to do is communicate that idea effectively, and you'll fuck her. If you go into an interaction with the agenda that you want to fuck her no matter what, you'd better hide that thing like it's a plague rat in a playground or you'll go home alone.

Where evil, and by extension the whole concept of 'other' comes in is in the analytical part of the selfishness process. This concept, incidentally, is the thing that is destroying our world. It is what sets man against woman. Black against white. Israeli against Arab. Me against the French. Whatever. It all comes down to this.

This is what evil is: Your rational mind works by modeling the world around you into static concepts - 'chair,' 'computer,' 'big,' 'small,' 'good,' 'evil.' Once these concepts are defined, they are fixed. Once fixed, your mind reorders the perceptions that your senses feed it into this model. These models can be, and usually are, immensely sophisticated. Nonetheless, they are static. That is why people are so stubborn when it comes to things like forgiveness. Their moral boundaries are literally set in stone and they are lost in a rigid universe of duty, negativity and spiralling hatred - a universe of their own creation. You can call this Hell if you'd like to. You can call the genuine universe Heaven too. I don't think you'd be too far from the mark, but even if you're not into God, I'm sure you get my point.

And that, incidentally, is why learning the art of being genuine is the meaning of life.

So there you have it. Human morality, mapped. Just remember. You heard it here first.

The reason that this explains the man's behaviour regarding the woman and the money. We are evolved to see women as important. This is because we are human and they are human, and humans are important. This is doubly true of women from a male perspective, and vice versa, because the opposite sex is clearly crucial in the continuation of our genetic legacy.

Resultantly, when we receive attention from the opposite sex, we feel satisfied with our personality - it has achieved the genetic result it has evolved to produce. It has attracted a mate. This is what self-esteem is, and why you feel good amazing about yourself after sleeping with someone who really cares about you for who you are. That is what the 'you' bit of you is designed for. To attract a mate. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Your personality is your peacock's tail.

You see, it's very simple. Freud never worked this out, and he spent a lifetime trying. I can only assume he was not paying attention. What do women want? Oh my God, can you ask me something difficult? It's so obvious.

Women want to be loved. They want to be loved, genuinely, for who they are. That is what men want to. It is what people want. Love. Obviously.

The only reason we ever want anything else than love is when we don't have enough love, don't therefore feel loveable, don't therefore feel worthwhile, and need to prove to ourselves that we are by some external means like winning a fight or ... taking money off a table in an experiment that some guy uses to set up a killer SOI.

I mean, guys, come on. This all seems pretty obvious to me. Why do we always complicate shit with our ego's? How's about we all just stop doing that. How about we stop right now. How amazing would the world be if...

I think you take my point.

Ok. Key points to remember?

1) The meaning of life.
2) The true nature of morality.
3) What women want.

I feel I've covered sufficient ground in this post. Questions? Comments?

Ever Yours,

Jekyll


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So guys, I feel you've got a good outline of where I'm coming from.

Remember. Use a condom.

Ever Yours

Jekyll